[wuug-list] [wuug-forum] ezod: Python (and wx) IDE

[Xavier Spriet]

Yeah I was using wxPython extensively back in the day, and then all my
work completely broke when everyone
started shipping the new version that had completely broken BC... that
did it for me  :) GTK FTW!


Xav


On Fri, 2007-18-05 at 13:29 -0400, Aaron Mavrinac wrote:

> Awesome, thanks Xav!
> 
> This is going to be a Linux-only app, under tightly controlled
> conditions (in fact, I think we're going to run the app as an X shell,
> sans WM/DE), so cross-platform compatibility and themeing are not an
> issue. Ironically, it was your advice some time back that got me
> interested in wx, and I was looking at it primarily for rapid GUI
> building, but I'm not married to it and I was considering GTK also. If
> that's the way to go in your opinion, then that's the way we'll go,
> and I'll see what I like for GUI building. For coding, I'll check out
> PyDev and Wingware, but most likely I'm just going to end up using
> vim, as usual...
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> On 5/18/07, Xavier Spriet <xavier at wuug.org> wrote:
> >
> >  Aaron,
> >
> >  I do quite a bit of python dev and PyDev is a very good editor. I also
> > seriously recommend trying Wingware IDE, there's a free version and it's
> >  one of the best python dev environments you'll find. Komodo has a free
> > edition also, but I'm not a big fan personally.
> >
> >  None of those have the GUI builder built-in though, but you should use
> > wxGlade for this anyway and then use the wx python bindings to parse
> >  the wxGlade XML files. Overall, I'd recommend steering clear of wxWidgets
> > though unless the code you write absolutely has to be cross-platform
> >  and won't be GPL. I've used wxPython quite a bit but it has a horrible
> > record of completely breaking backward compatibility when major new versions
> >  are released and your app is then completely broken on every distro.
> > Furthermore, it's pretty slow compared to native toolkits and even other
> >  cross-platform toolkits like QT, and since it tries to abstract on top of
> > everything, it relies on the lowest common denominator for every component,
> >  so your built-in dialogs are very basic and you don't have access to a lot
> > of the higher-end features of modern toolkits. Its advantage though, is that
> > it
> >  is super cross-platform.
> >
> >  If your target OS is mainly Unix/Linux, my personal favourite is GTK. You
> > can build your UI in Glade and there are excellent python bindings for
> > libglade
> >  that will construct your GUI from the Glade XML file and it is very fast.
> > It has known threading issues on windows, so if you need windows support, be
> >  very careful. QT isn't quite as nice on Linux because it lacks support for
> > Gnome themeing on those desktops, but it is 100% cross-platform with some
> > really
> >  nice Aqua bindings for OSX and native MFC (and possibly even windows.forms
> > through Qt#) on Windows, however it is very expensive if your app is
> > commercial,
> >  as it's only free if your project is pure GPL or LGPL.
> >
> >  Python also has a fully cross-platform and pretty fast UI toolkit built-in
> > called Tkinter based on Tk, but it lacks native themeing on every OS and has
> > very basic
> >  controls and no graphical UI builder, so it's a pretty poor toolkit
> > overall.
> >
> >  If your target platform is only windows, IronPython is extremely fast and
> > has native windows.forms support, however, since it's built on top of the
> > .NET runtime,
> >  your shipped product will require this runtime to be installed. There are
> > also a couple of toolkits available that are win32 specific. I have them
> > bookmarked
> >  on delicious so I can find them in there if you're interested.
> >
> >  Overall, in terms of python/GUI, GTK is as good as it gets... it's a fast
> > toolkit that has good themeing support on Gnome/KDE (with the GTK-QT
> > themeing engine) and
> >  a very good UI builder (Glade and Glade3 and also Gazpacho), and a great
> > community... check out www.pygtk.org
> >
> >
> >  Xavier
> >
> >  On Thu, 2007-17-05 at 21:41 -0400, Windsor UNIX Users Group wrote:
> >  Author: ezod
> > Username: ezod (dyn216-8-135-6.ADSL.mnsi.net)
> > Subject: Python (and wx) IDE
> > Forum: Coding
> > Link: http://www.wuug.org/read.php?14,23,23#msg-23
> > Approved: Yes
> >
> > Is there a good free software Python IDE for UNIX/Linux that does wx GUI
> > building? I hear PyDev isn't bad, but I've never used Eclipse before... Is
> > ActiveGrid any good? Will I be happier just doing GUI building with wxGlade?
> > And lastly, I'm not at all afraid of coding it all myself -- I write Win32
> > API C++ apps from scratch and rarely use IDEs in general -- is this the
> > tidiest way to do it if I'm comfortable with it, or am I just wasting time?
> >
> >
> >
> 
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